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2000 sunfire brake system repair
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valtron
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Sep 8, 2014, 2:34 PM
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2000 sunfire brake system repair
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Year of vehicle: 2000
Make of vehicle:Pontiac
Model of vehicle: Sunfire
Engine size: 2.2 eco tec
Mileage/Kilometer: 127,891 km
I am having a hard time letting go of this vehicle as the body and engine are in great shape for its age. The car was in my dads name for so long I never needed to certify/safety it but it was becoming a hassle with insurance companies so I finally got the ownership put in my name. This is a secondary vehicle I want my wife to use to learn to drive on other than wrecking my truck.
I am not entirely retarded when it comes to mechanics, I know most of the basics parts and systems as to how a vehicle works but I have never really done too much other than spark plugs/wires and air filters..
This vehicle needs a complete front to back brake job, lines, drums, pads, rotors, e-merg cable, etc etc.
I want to attempt this job myself as I don't really mind if the car is out of service for a month or more and I'd like to use it more for learning about the brake systems as it is similar to my truck so I can eventually do my own repairs and not have to deal with costly bills from local shops.
I would like to use copper brake lines so they last the rest of the life of this vehicle.
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I am unsure what size/length I need to get, any tools I might need, any couplers or connecting pieces etc and I would greatly appreciate a handy guide on what exact parts I need to order just to do all the brake lines and back drums/pads. I will deal with the front brakes at a later time if my lower back allows it..
any help would be appreciated thanks. I also wish to spare no expense on quality parts, so if there is a big difference in pads or drum manufactures please let me know.
(This post was edited by Hammer Time on Sep 8, 2014, 3:22 PM)
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valtron
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Sep 8, 2014, 2:38 PM
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Re: 2000 sunfire brake system repair
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also, is there an easy/safe product I can purchase that is fairly cheap that would jack the whole car up that would fit in a standard garage with 12 foot ceiling? I think it is 12 or 14ft.. some kind of car lift or something?
(This post was edited by valtron on Sep 8, 2014, 2:45 PM)
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Hammer Time
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Sep 8, 2014, 3:24 PM
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You won't spend the money to have a professional do your brakes correctly but you would spend thousands on a lift?
You need to just let the professionals do it. Experiment on a part of the car that won't kill someone if it's done wrong.
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Tom Greenleaf
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Sep 8, 2014, 4:25 PM
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Quote">>Copper brake lines<<" Don't work on brakes on this car as already said. In fact don't work on or lift it until you have any clue at all about a vehicle and apparently you don't,
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Discretesignals
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Sep 8, 2014, 4:27 PM
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You must really not like your wife if your thinking about installing copper brake lines. At least up her life insurance policy if you go that route.
Since we volunteer our time and knowledge, we ask for you to please follow up when a problem is resolved.
(This post was edited by Discretesignals on Sep 8, 2014, 4:28 PM)
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Hammer Time
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Sep 8, 2014, 4:30 PM
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What he was talking about was Copper/nickel and they were Dot approved but brakes aren't for OJT.
Jeggs sells them in 25ft rolls
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(This post was edited by Hammer Time on Sep 8, 2014, 4:31 PM)
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Discretesignals
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Sep 8, 2014, 4:35 PM
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I hope he is talking about that and not the stuff you use for your ice maker.
Since we volunteer our time and knowledge, we ask for you to please follow up when a problem is resolved.
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Hammer Time
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Sep 8, 2014, 4:53 PM
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Yes, he had a link that I removed.
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(This post was edited by Hammer Time on Sep 8, 2014, 4:56 PM)
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Tom Greenleaf
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Sep 8, 2014, 10:42 PM
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I take it back on this mix of metals. It does look remarkably like what NAPA is selling now. Copper alone and doesn't say the % cracks and is totally unsuitable in conditions of vibrations. Nickel is the magic and is what make steel into "stainless steel" a steel that in the right percent doesn't rust but can corrode unlike the name suggests.
Copper is long known to crack without too much trouble. Ever hear of the Liberty Bell?
The #1 warning is brakes of all things are not to be for said "on the job training" and any metal not mounted properly or rubbing will fail faster than rusty steel which was and is a constant problem to outright dangerous.
Troubles with any is the holders of many are gone by the time line rusts out those are gone so still anything is a mess to do right. I would on a vehicle to keep and should (any that doesn't blow out from rust/corrosion) require it.
Just don't get fooled that alloys don't corrode and many right now crumble faster than any steel I've seen including wheels, bumper supports behind façade of even chrome and so on.
For brake line bending even new if sharp enough is still a concern to NOT kink at the extremes,
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valtron
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Sep 9, 2014, 7:06 AM
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So I am confused, are these brake lines ok to use? I see a lot of concern about me trying to do this myself, the vehicle still has to be inspected by a certified mechanic before it is road worthy.. So if something is done wrong they can fix it. The point was to learn this stuff myself. It honestly doesn't look that hard and there is a wealth in info on the net.. As for the lift and 1000's of dollars.. I was looking for something a bit cheaper in price and seeking ideas on what some of you people use.. Ill just find the Sh!t myself as this forum seems rather judgmental and not really helpful anyways.
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Tom Greenleaf
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Sep 9, 2014, 7:37 AM
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I personally apologize for coming to a conclusion that you were about to use plain copper line easy to work with and fitting for more like home plumbing things NOT ever for automotive. If DOT approved (that's Department of Transportation) whatever they sell legally for use for brakes is legal and at least to them considered safe. Rusted lines are not and they approved those too so take that with a grain of salt.
This car would or should be relatively reasonable to go for with brakes but chances are if it's so good as you said it wont need all of this just where it's bad and YOU learn how to make the bends of a section and unions meant for brakes as well plus placing them where they belong out of harm's way.
At the wheels shouldn't be too much trouble if items are new. You may want to find out how much it really needs or not as your post suggests "everything" which if that was true this car isn't in that great of shape in other places and might re-think what you want to do.
Other lines not brakes that also rust out are fuel and evaporative emissions lines. That just lines you make up not buy all ready and bent like originals.
My concern is you may see a nice seemingly rust free vehicle but if brake lines are already going and they do then other things will as well up to body areas that must be strong on a unit body car which this is.
I suggest getting this car to a shop up and overhead, pull wheels and get a real idea with a professional just what is bad now or looks bad coming before you dump too much into a lost cause and it does happen that rust damage in general far exceeds what a vehicle could possibly be worth.
In short, pay an hour's worth of checking this out and then decide on your approach. You do have to learn how to do brakes without fail. Parking cables can be a pest to get just right and tools to just get them out and knowing how to adjust new ones as many stuck rusted ones you may cut out. If you need them all this can't be in very good shape like you may think is my guess as I'm not looking right at it overall,
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Hammer Time
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Sep 9, 2014, 9:57 AM
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Yes, we are judgmental when someone that is not trained in any way wants to jump into repairing brakes. Fix your radio if you want, fix your lights if you want but if you screw up the brakes, it may be my family that you hit on the highway. Brakes is not the place to start learning and when you do start, you work alongside a professional.
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