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Should I be getting brake paste on my next service?


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Coachwalker
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Jan 7, 2022, 11:39 PM

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  post locked   Should I be getting brake paste on my next service?  

Hi there CarJunkies! Can anyone tell me about brake paste? How important is it? Only one out of the 3 dealers I've spoken to has specified it in my next service (90,000 km for a 10,000 km car). One of the others doesn't seem to know what it is. Maybe it was has another name like "break lubricant" or something? Here is a YouTube video about it Youtube video removed....not allowed


(This post was edited by Hammer Time on Jan 9, 2022, 9:56 AM)


Tom Greenleaf
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Jan 8, 2022, 12:47 AM

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? What do you mean by the time of 90km service to do this to brakes? By then if original they probably need to be redone with new parts?
It's then or if you do such low KMs per year if lube is washed out or rust an issue only take a hard look at the parts if that is a reason to redo the brakes. Lube is lube for where they rub that video showed what was done to make them quiet that didn't work for decades probably selling a product already known as just brake lube.


Newer parts should be of good or better than OE quality and have plenty of thought in design to be quiet + rattle free. If this is just selling you something I'd even go somewhere else sounds like "overselling" what should be tended to just anyway no additional mention or cost to you.


I smell a fish that's all old BS when brake noise was a larger issue than now or substandard parts used make them quiet when they should be anyway,


T



Coachwalker
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Jan 8, 2022, 12:54 AM

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  post locked   Re: Should I be getting brake paste on my next service?  

Not sure about "re-do". Each dealer has included "brake cleaner" as an item on the estimate so I'm assuming this is a standard item at the 90,000 mile service. I don't think they're offering to replace anything. However only one dealer has included "brake paste". The other dealer doesn't seem to know what it is. On the video it looks like something that could be useful


Tom Greenleaf
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Jan 8, 2022, 2:59 AM

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OK, IDK how useful that is vs just lube on parts that have to slide. Disc brakes made with slide pins you really have to or upon just fully inspecting them.


If they itemize brake cleaner IMO that's pushing it most include a hazmat disposal fee for almost all work. Each place can do what they want just be up front with pricing like any other biz. What's next a charge for cleaning their hands with hand cleaner?


Just do a flat rate for a service.


If those brakes are original at 90K Kilometers that's as long as they usually last for needing a full brake job so if by chance things are really good yes clean up and re-lube them. Never mentioned would be extra is re-bleed out fluid for new or I've never seen it listed?


When time ask for "dust free" quiet pads if not used anyway. Parts qualities have a range from cheaper only to other properties you may really want. Many wheels get dust all over them to my and my own pest to keep clean so use the dust free ones specifically but most are if any good.


All should meet local requirements are very high where I am so really the wild cheap junk isn't out there so much.


Your call it's your car and yours to decide what you want done it theirs to say how much it will cost.


If any biz sneaks in added costs not mentioned I just don't like that idea rather be up front it costs to do work so it's built in seems more like it - just practical for all,


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Coachwalker
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Jan 8, 2022, 3:48 AM

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it's a 90,000 km service on a car that has done 10,000 km. The service charge (Labour) is one item. They just charge extra for the oil, filter and the "break cleaner"

What is "brake paste"? Do I need it?


(This post was edited by Coachwalker on Jan 8, 2022, 3:50 AM)


Tom Greenleaf
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Jan 8, 2022, 4:19 AM

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That Paste in the video ADVERTISEMENT isn't necessary IMO. All Shops should already have a brake specific lube! It showed putting that yuk on the backside of the pads isn't necessary IMO been at this for decades.

It was sold to reduce noise probably still is NOW the new parts (pads) rarely make noise so why mess with them?

Notes: Early disc brakes when the switch from drums was on front only brakes didn't retract as well would drag a bit and make noise - some super annoying! That's the early to later 1970s 0 forget it, they've solved that,

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Coachwalker
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Jan 8, 2022, 4:43 AM

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  post locked   Re: Should I be getting brake paste on my next service?  

Thanks. Presumably then the Mazda dealer will do the proper break lubrication and cleaning as part of the service, right?


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Jan 8, 2022, 5:40 AM

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Mazda or other good tech should just do the right things without asking. Pushing you into more of something if found by surprise - show you what they see for a "go ahead" on that.

Basic biz the people involved agree on what is to be done. You can ask for more or better parts in some cases.

This case if that product was needed as shown it would come in a small tube with the new pads - trust me, been at this a while,

Tom



Hammer Time
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Jan 9, 2022, 10:01 AM

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I removed your video because they are not allowed here.

I did watch it and everything shown in that video are things that should be done on every brake job. If it's done right in the first place it should never have to be done again. That product is just one brand of synthetic grease that can be used but this process isn't designed for used brakes. All those things should be cleaned and lubed when new brakes are installed.



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Coachwalker
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Jan 10, 2022, 2:10 AM

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In the video it shows brake paste being applied to some very used brakes. In your post you say if it's done right in the first place it should never have to be done again and yet you also say everything shown in the video should be done on every brake job so I have to admit to being confused.

Apparently at 4 1/2 years/90,000 km brake cleaning is on the maintenance schedule. It's been specified by 3 separate Mazda dealers however only one includes brake "paste" as well as brake "cleaner" on the list of chargeable items on top of labour. I asked the other dealer if they knew what it was. They confessed ignorance


Tom Greenleaf
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Jan 10, 2022, 3:10 AM

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Oh man we've beat on this. Check brakes is periodic. If then it's seen that they are dry, uneven wear it's almost expected by 90KM to redo them. What brands named lubes are used isn't so much the point.

Check a list of things if you keep up with a vehicle, avoid un-necessary surprises or problems.

Not surprised a tech didn't hear of that brand brake lube is a stock item for any shop or tech.

If you want something to over do rotate tires more then most lists suggest and keep track of that yourself you should both get better life out of tires but at the same time a glance at brakes NOT a take apart inspection unless you want to pay for it,

T



Coachwalker
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Jan 10, 2022, 3:24 AM

Post #12 of 16 (438 views)
  post locked   Re: Should I be getting brake paste on my next service?  

It's a 4.5 (90,000 km) year service on a car that has completed 10,000 km (sorry about the kilometres) and "brake paste" is not a brand. I don't know what brand they are proposing. This dealer seems to use brake paste for most intervals. Other dealers (and everyone else I have spoken to) have no idea what it is.

Also they seem to rotate the tires every service


(This post was edited by Coachwalker on Jan 10, 2022, 3:27 AM)


Tom Greenleaf
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Jan 10, 2022, 4:19 AM

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?? Seems this one deducts doing a 10K service from another - no!
If that dealer or techs there agree to use a certain product so be it. I've asked if that's an extra charge without you saying so. NO, that's what you do with brakes serviced or redone for new.

To me since I brought it up rotating tires is not done enough - roads stink where I am they wear lousy especially AWDs, FWDs and may real trucks.

Many current vehicles if tire wear is uneven that will confuse features to stop (ABS) or many other. If you ruin one when part worn out with some you need all four!

Metric and we say SAE for "English" weights + measures as they make more universal sense IMO, I said IMO.

You don't mix up altitude, speeds for aircraft it's world wide in feet + miles and feet none of the mix ups.

OK, I'll beat on it. I can't for the life of me do that how many liters/100 KM thing for fuel use and it make any sense. Nor tire pressure or other pressures as they line up with other measurements perfectly.

Not for the Philippines but temps vary wildly where I am so TPM systems go nuts all the time are useless. I have to tell folks to count 1 PSI more or less for the "cold- unused vehicle's" tire air temp to add or subtract 1 PSI for every 10F degrees. I couldn't do that in KpA or whatever it is. {Stubborn American} isn't messing with that crap.

It will be below zero here meaning nasty cold it's a marker for vehicles too, people too! 32F, is 0C is T-shirt weather still.

Batteries lose power on lower temps based on CCA at 32F is the # for the rating. They get sold based on that for application since forever. What is it where you are? Bet you have no clue.

Reasons for it all around us. Some things are and should be universal no mix ups it's dangerous. Learn it both ways I fail off the top of my head to reverse measure it's also posted on everything anyway along with 3 languages to louse it up even more :-)

Tom



Coachwalker
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Jan 10, 2022, 4:28 AM

Post #14 of 16 (412 views)
  post locked   Re: Should I be getting brake paste on my next service?  

Yes the "break paste" is an extra itemized cost on the dealer's service specification plus "brake cleaner". Out of 3 dealers only one specifies it


Tom Greenleaf
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Jan 10, 2022, 5:27 AM

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They are making up reasons to rip you off IMO!
T



Hammer Time
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Jan 10, 2022, 5:34 AM

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OK, this has gone on long enough.
There is nothing in a maintenance schedule that says "clean brakes". It may say "check brakes" but that only means to see if they need replacement.

"Brake clean" is a spray product used for cleaning up any mess, usually oil leaks. Mechanics use a lot of the stuff to clean areas they are working on so shops started charging for it in supplies. It is NOT exclusively on brakes. It is used to clean grease or oil off off anything.

I'm going to close both of these threads now as this is just going in circles.



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(This post was edited by Hammer Time on Jan 10, 2022, 5:37 AM)






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