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cowboyup
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Mar 9, 2013, 5:17 AM
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Ok so this isn't really an issue but its more concept of how a braking system works. I am a mechanic for a shop. Brake technician is my title. I am training a new guy on brakes and he is a severe know it all that thinks he knows everything about what I do on a regular basis. our main ase certified head mechanic is on vacation for a week and we got a very nice Ford ranger in the shop good condition but needed a vacuum booster. my dumb apprentice tries telling me that the vacuum booster (black drum behind master cylinder) should be about halfway full of brake fluid. I tried to convince him that it is just air and a push rod on the top of the brake pedal assembly that aides in brake depression and that brake fluid doesn't come into the picture until you get to the primary piston inside if your master cylinder. so I'm taking apart this ranger and he tries ti tell me that I need to pour fluid down the booster where the vacuum hose connects. it is gonna cost him his job if he doesn't listen to me but he wants proof. can I have a couple guys back up my concept of how a vacuum booster works so he doesn't go in tomorrow and screw up the truck and get me fired. (I'm not scheduled to work and its all him tomorrow). Any replies are greatly appreciated.
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Hammer Time
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Mar 9, 2013, 7:38 AM
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Unbelievable!!!!!!!!
Keep that guy away from people's cars. He's an idiot.
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Mar 9, 2013, 8:26 AM
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I'd tell him that a customer's vehicle isn't one you want to run an experiment like that on. You need explain to him that you are training him and that he isn't training you. You have more experience and knowledge than he does and that is the reason he is being trained by you.
If he doesn't listen to your advice when you know in your heart that he is dead wrong, he doesn't need to be working on vehicles for a living because he is putting someone or someone's family's life in jeopardy.
If he has a problem with that, he can roll his tool box out the door and look for another place to work.
I am surprised that you would give the ok for him to be able to work by himself unsupervised. After reading what you just typed he is no where near ready to be working on his own.
Since we volunteer our time and knowledge, we ask for you to please follow up when a problem is resolved.
(This post was edited by Discretesignals on Mar 9, 2013, 8:59 AM)
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Tom Greenleaf
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Mar 9, 2013, 8:55 AM
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I third the motion - That guy shouldn't be fixing bicycles yet! I'm not certain of what damage or problem could happen from doing that either because nobody I ever knew would ever do that!
Tom
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Hammer Time
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Mar 9, 2013, 9:08 AM
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I'm a little concerned that you even had to ask our opinion on that.
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Sidom
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If you're training someone on the correct way to do things....You need to be able to get those ideas across on your own.....
There are ways to make people listen to you if they are your responsibility...
Training is not for everyone....If you aren't comfortable doing this,,,,,, Have you SM put him with someone else
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nickwarner
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Mar 10, 2013, 10:23 AM
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Tell him to prove his theory on his own car first if he's so sure he is right. You are supervising him. I'm guessing you are new to doing supervisory work. Lay down the law and do not leave him to work on his own. Honestly I would be calling up the head manager or the owner and getting the guy gone. He's going to cost the shop and its customers a lot of money with his ignorance and very well might get someone killed.
If he is convinced he is right and will not listen to his superior while he is a trainee, be done with him now.
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MarineGrunt
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Mar 10, 2013, 10:31 PM
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When I was in the Marine Corps, and someone was going to do something stupid, we'd put a bar of soap in a sock and beat them while they were sleeping. Now if someone did something so idiotic it could get someone killed, we wouldn't wait until he was in his bunk. We'd just jack him in the face. How hard he would get hit would depend how big of a moron he was being. If the guy you're training was in the Marine Corps he would wake up with two black eyes, a broken nose, and have to setup an appointment with the dentist on base to get fitted for dentures.
If you're worried about him telling the boss, don't worry about it. Our Gunny never heard about it because the guy would always realize how big of an idiot his was being and didn't want Gunny to find out about it.
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Hammer Time
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Mar 11, 2013, 3:17 AM
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This guy hasn't posted since his original post. Looks like he has read them though.
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MarineGrunt
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Mar 11, 2013, 12:11 PM
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Yeah I kinda figured that. Just thought I'd try and add a little humor to the forum.
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Tom Greenleaf
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Mar 11, 2013, 12:42 PM
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This is the tech. Speaks for itself...........
Nuff said - T
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MarineGrunt
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Mar 11, 2013, 1:27 PM
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Ha.....do you think he fills the plastic brake light housing up with fluid too? I bet he has searched every auto parts store in the country trying to find that elusive blinker fluid.
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Tom Greenleaf
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Mar 11, 2013, 2:16 PM
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Blinker fluid is a hot seller by Kaleco Inc.
Same isle as the muffler bearings!
Me bad!
Tom
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MarineGrunt
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Mar 11, 2013, 4:08 PM
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Ha...man, we're gonna have all kinds of people confused and asking some crazy questions!
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nickwarner
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Mar 11, 2013, 5:24 PM
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Blinker fluid is just an urban myth. Remember, all the shops are just ripoffs anyhow. But blinker fluid got its origins from a very real and essential headlamp fluid. Nowadays you can get the regular (if you drive an older car or don't care about bulb life) or halogen headlamp fluid. Since I would hate to be called a liar, I will supply sufficient proof.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9FefIzya7fw
To the original poster, we would like to hear from you about how this is turning out. I do get the impression you've been working under the main guy who does the training for a little bit and since he's out on vacation you got the new guy dropped on you. You've never trained anyone and are not confrontational by nature. Thats ok. All of us here are senior techs and have acted as direct trainers, mentors, or simply the grumpy guy chewing out a new guy for years. Some have or currently do either own shops of their own or have managed them after long careers of wrenching. We can offer you a lot of advice that can benefit you in this and other situations in the future and it is free for the asking.
Hope to see you post back soon.
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