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Loud Humming/Rumble noise when w/ 2000 Honda Accord v6
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wacki
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Apr 18, 2010, 10:27 AM
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Loud Humming/Rumble noise when w/ 2000 Honda Accord v6
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My dad, gf and sister all complain about how loud my Honda Accord is. The sound isn't as bad as driving over rumble strips on the side of highway but it's loud enough to get friends and family to complain. I think there is a slight wobble in the wheel when I drive but I'm not sure. It's hard to tell. The only recent trauma to the car that I know of is a local auto shop put the lug nuts on so tight after a tire rotation that I couldn't take them off with a Ingersoll Rand 2130 (600 ft/lbs). They had to use a 1,000 foot lb wrench to remove the lugs.
The only ideas I have are:
1) Take the tires someplace to be balanced
2) Have the tires aligned
3) Bad ball bearings in the axle
Thoughts?
Recent Maintenance:
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Change oil very frequently ~ every 3k
Changed transmission fluid @ 80k, 100k
Brand new rotors and brakes
tire pressure 36 psi
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Tom Greenleaf
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Apr 18, 2010, 11:32 AM
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If that noticeable it's got to be found and fixed! Over-torquing wheel lug nuts isn't good and can be dangerous if weakened studs also resulted. Could that bend the rim or distort a hub - maybe?? I'd have that wheel and bearing completely checked out. How were the others if that one was so tight?
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wacki
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Apr 18, 2010, 3:40 PM
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How do you tell if the studs are weakened?
Pretty much every lug on my car was that tight. I think my impact wrench was able to get 3 of the 20 lug nuts off.
(This post was edited by wacki on Apr 18, 2010, 3:44 PM)
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Tom Greenleaf
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I'm going to step in it with this comment but except for the most sophisticated impact/air wrenches you don't know the torque you are getting and pretty much all vehicles suggest TORQUING wheel lugs to known values! Air tools to remove - fine. Put back close fine then finish with known torque.
Heck - most everyone has broken a bolt over-tightening one. I mean just any bolt anywhere. How close are they all to the hair before breaking now? Near impossible to tell.
Wheel lug nuts or bolts are to be tightened by hand in almost all cases but ignored widely. I'd check with a real torque wrench and if one broke I wouldn't trust any of them about now,
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Sidom
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I'm just going to add one litte thing here.
Tom is totally correct about tightening lugs down with an impact gun without the add of a torque stick..... Without a torque stick it is almost a guarantee the nuts will be overtightened.....
The one exception, experienced techs do know the feel of their gun and you can tell when they use it. you will hear one quick zip and that's it and then they will torque the lugs nuts with a torque wrench when the car is on the ground.....If someone is standing there rattling the gun you can expect anywhere from 300 to 800 ft lbs depending on the gun and air supply.......
Personally I use torque sticks & then a torque wrench....... You can tell when someone is using a torque stick. It looks like a long extension an there is different colors for the different torque values. You can rattle a gun with a torque stick due to it limiting the torque to the socket and the nut won't get overtightened..........
(This post was edited by Sidom on Apr 18, 2010, 7:00 PM)
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wacki
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Apr 18, 2010, 8:48 PM
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I knew about the torque wrenches but didn't know about torque sticks. I might pick up a set. That being said how do I fix or at least diagnose my car? If the overtightened lugnuts were the problem then it was caused by a local tire shop.
Thanks in advance,
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Tom Greenleaf
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Apr 19, 2010, 4:20 AM
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Excellent Sidom! This should be a staple for DIYers with or without air tools. Agreed, many pros do know their own tools and air supply well enough. Close is for the game "Horseshoes" not for wheel lug torque. Love that set. What do they cost? - Probably plenty but then again what does losing a wheel cost?
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Not a bad idea to have a set your box. I think it would depend on how much you are removing and reinstalling your wheels whether you get a set or not. The key to torquing your lugnuts after running them down with a impact gun is the nut has to move when using a torque wrench, even if it's just a small amount. This way you know it's at 80ft lbs (for a Honda). If it doesn't move & the wrench just clicks, while you do know it's at least at 80ft lbs, the bigger problem is it could also be at 500ft lbs. The only way to tell would be to gradually increase the valve of the wrench until you got the nut to move.
As far as a problem with your studs I'll just offer this.........There is no in field test that can be run on those studs for stress fractures... As far as it being a problem..... I've been in the field for over 30 years and can count on one hand twice how many cars I've seen shear studs after being over tightened with an impact gun. The main problem is just the opposite... Wheel offs are usually caused by an installer forgetting to tighten a wheel or the wheel getting hung up on a lip of a hub or stud when being tightened...
Nowadays there are a lot of shops that torque wheels and some that don't. Back in the late 70s and early 80s...no one torqued wheels everyone used guns. If there was a problem caused by this odds are it hurt the threads and that would be easy to tell.... Hondas have pretty decent studs (unlike Mitsubishi & Isuzu) and the nuts usually spin pretty easy. A quick check you could do would be to take a few off a spin them on by hand, if you can't run them down all the way with your fingers then the threads probably got stretched and while this isn't dangerous, the problem is the stud is problably going to crossthread after a few more uses and then need to be replaced along with the nut..
In a nutshell my gut feeling is your probably ok, Hondas have good studs and it's still a fairly common practise to tighten wheels with impact guns at some shops, you probably had a new guys doing the work who wasn't use to the gun. The next time in I wouldn't beat up the SA over this but would mention the previous problem and make it clear I wanted the nuts torqued..........
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wacki
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Apr 20, 2010, 7:05 PM
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Good info on the studs but does anyone have any idea what is wrong with my car? What could be making the noise? I'd like to make the noise go away.
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I might of missed it but I thought Tom suggested a wheel bearing............
1st thing to do would be rotate the tires and see if the noise moves, a tire with choppy tread can simulate a bearing noise.
Then find a good empty spot on the road and when the noise is the loudest, then swerve from side to side, if this changes the pitch of the noise, more than likely you have a bad bearing. If the right side has a bad bearing, swerving to the left shifts all the weight to the right and the noise would get louder, swerving the right shifts the weight to the left and the noise would then get quieter or go away...
You really need to be careful doing this test or you can very easily be walking a straight line on the shoulder, balancing on one foot and saying your ABCs backwards if you know what I mean......
On a side note, if it is a bad bearing......overtightening the lugnuts wouldn't have caused this......
(This post was edited by Sidom on Apr 20, 2010, 7:37 PM)
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Who is CRS and who thinks they are better than Monroe?
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I was wondering the same?
As far as the struts go,,,, the quick struts come with new springs & mount,,,,,,,very easy install (no compressor needed) and gets you back to factory ride height.........
Those are all good tires..... I would do the pricing and get the best deal........ The Definitys have a rebate you have to factor in but I always hate that mail in stuff
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wacki
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May 1, 2010, 8:08 AM
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"Who is CRS and who thinks they are better than Monroe?"
I think these are the guys:
http://www.prostrut.com/prostruts.html
They were recommended by local mechanics as being cheaper and having a lower failure rate.
(This post was edited by wacki on May 1, 2010, 8:09 AM)
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Hammer Time
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May 1, 2010, 8:31 AM
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That's nonsense. They are pushing them because they are less work to change because they come complete and don't have to be disassembled. They are not better than Monroe and I certainly doubt they cost less than a regular Monroe strut. That's just their sales pitch to make their life easier.
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Sidom
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Well I can't comment on the CRS struts because I've never used them..... I've had good luck with Monroe & their quick struts.
I also like KYB for imports but I don't believe they have a complete unit yet like Monroe.
The complete units are obviously more money but worth the money. It gets you back to factory ride height, it's preassembled so their isn't going to be a problem with the bearing plates or damaging the seals in the struts tightening the plates down... Not to mention getting a spring compressor to get the springs off.....
I haven't installed a lot of complete units because of the cost but I will have to admitt I did like the ride afterwards, more noticable that just straight struts and they are way easier to install....
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bob1
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May 5, 2010, 11:07 AM
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Sometimes if radial tires are rotated improperly, they will get noisy, some tires have directional tread, some tire compounds and tread designs are worse than others as far as noise is concerned.
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Loren Champlain Sr
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HT; I agree; The only ones as good, or maybe better, are KYB in my humble opinion. LOL. By the way, I suffer from CRS.
Loren
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