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scott22sc
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Oct 12, 2011, 5:39 PM
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I have a 2002 SC2 with a starter problem that has me stumped. recently I went to shut the car off and the starter just started cranking in all key positions except in the run position...then it just idles like normal. I replaced the ignition switch and had it rekeyed as it was worn out anyway. I also replaced the ignition module while I was in there. My thought being that must be the problem because the starter runs in all key positions.... that did not fix the problem. Also, when I unplug the ignition module while the engine is cranking...it still keeps cranking. Does that mean the problem is a short somewhere?
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Oct 12, 2011, 6:14 PM
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Ignition module? What would that have to do with starter operation?
Did you replace the ignition switch or the ignition lock?
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I replaced both. The key switch is unrelated i'm sure but it has been getting harder to get the key to turn for over the last few months. As long as I was replacing the module where I thought the problem was I also changed out the lock.
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Oct 12, 2011, 7:04 PM
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What module do you keep referring to. There is no module involving the starter.
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Mr.scotty
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Oct 12, 2011, 8:10 PM
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(This post was edited by Mr.scotty on Oct 13, 2011, 7:48 AM)
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I have not tried that yet. I will see what that does today
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Oct 13, 2011, 3:06 AM
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the part I am refering to is actually the switch that is bolted to the end of the ignition key assembly. Perhaps I should be calling it a switch rather than a module.
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Don't waste your time looking for relays or fuses specifically for the starter it doesn't have any and people should know what's in the circuit before posting stuff like that.
Yes, that is a switch that you are referring to. Is this an auto or manual trans?
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Oct 13, 2011, 7:47 AM
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Sorry, your right HT.
Had a bad night last night.
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Oct 13, 2011, 11:28 AM
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Scott22sc,
As far as the remedies are concerned, I agree with everything that has been said so far. The only thing I can add would be the obvious and simple, and that would be a defective starter.
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Oct 13, 2011, 1:57 PM
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Manual...I was thinking about this today at work and am wondering why when I connect the positive battery cable it does not try to start. but after I turn the key once to engage the starter It wont disingage until I pull the battery cable. if I had a short wouldnt the starter take off as soon as I hook up the cable?
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You're just going to have to follow the circuit and determine where it's getting it's power from. Start with the trigger wire at the starter.
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Oct 13, 2011, 3:23 PM
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thanks, I am heading back out with my multimeter. I was just running it and when I went to shut it off I took the positve battery cable off and then shut the car off about a minute later. it still ingaged the starter for a couple of revolutions. if power is not going from battery to starter it must be somewhere in the charging circuit right?
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I think I found the problem. I had the key out of the ignition.connected the battery cable and jumped the starter solonoid with a screwdriver. that caused the starter to ingage and not disengage after removing the screwdriver. i'm guessing the hold in windings in the starter.
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That's entirely possible but it would also mean that you were totally wrong when you said it stopped when in the "run" position. The starter can't cause that.
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Oct 14, 2011, 3:16 AM
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That is a good point. if it was still ingaged while the car is running it would be grinding which it is not. I think I will pull the starter and have it tested. Thanks again for all your help
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That won't really tell you anything because the starter will act differently with no load. What needs to be done is remove the purple wire at the starter while this is happening and see if the starter keeps going. That would indicate a bad starter.
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Oct 14, 2011, 5:24 AM
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that selinioid is a relay, and I'll bet the batt. to starter cable is hot at all times, if it doesn't kick back when told to as long as it's in it's "engauged" position it will have power, don't buy cheap or rebuilt parts, (starters, alternators, sensors) ,buy new, ,the parts salemen in this area seem to think a garrantee means "no problems" and that I have time to swap out these parts when they fail after a month, as if buying inferior parts is business as usual, I go to the dealer, it cost more but you get what you pay for but to me it's a matter of principle
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Just perform the test I suggested and don't buy anything yet.
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Oct 14, 2011, 5:33 PM
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MY SATURN IS FIXED! ....thanks again. I pulled the purple wire and the problem was still there. I replaced the starter and it is working great.
Scott
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Glad to hear you got it resolved.
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