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Proa42
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Dec 3, 2009, 9:55 PM

Post #1 of 7 (1762 views)
95 Lumina 3.1 still not running Sign In

On November 20 I posted that my APV stopped running. I replaced parts based on the trouble codes, and nothing.

I took the beast to Mr. Goodwrench. They found nothing mechanically wrong and suggested I change the ECU. I did.

NOTHINGMad

The engione fires under cranking conditions. If I crank long enough, the engine warms up and will idle. But, step on the pedal and, "POP, POW, POOF, PFFT, THLUMP, , , then nothing.

Mr. Goodwrench decided on the ECU because the timing was retarding and advancing improperly. I suspect that it wasn't the ECU after all, but the EST (Electronic Spark Timing). However I haven't the faintest idea where that is. (Back in the day there was a vacuum advance on the distributor).

Once again the new enginie stuff:
  • Coil
  • Distributor
  • Spark-plug wires
  • Spark plugs
  • MAP
  • TPS
  • Fuel filter

Anyone out there with a solution?

I just installed new bearings, tie-rod ends, brakes, ball joints, in addition to the engine stuff. I'm not prepared to see these new parts go the scrap yard.


Sidom
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Dec 3, 2009, 10:24 PM

Post #2 of 7 (1756 views)
Re: 95 Lumina 3.1 still not running Sign In

I went back thru your old post and I guessed I missed it but didn't see any posted codes.....

Fuel pressure looked good. At this point I would like to see a vacuum reading @ idle & high rpm and a backpressure reading would be real helpful.


Hammer Time
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Dec 4, 2009, 6:45 AM

Post #3 of 7 (1750 views)
Re: 95 Lumina 3.1 still not running Sign In


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I suspect that it wasn't the ECU after all, but the EST (Electronic Spark Timing). However I haven't the faintest idea where that is.


That is part of the ECU.


I think I would be suspecting the Mass Air Flow sensor for the current symptoms, assuming it has one. Some engine were using both MAP and MAF back then.
If it's a TBI engine, it probably doesn't have one.



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(This post was edited by Hammer Time on Dec 4, 2009, 6:50 AM)


steve01832
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Dec 4, 2009, 8:11 PM

Post #4 of 7 (1732 views)
Re: 95 Lumina 3.1 still not running Sign In

According to this diagram, there is no MAF sensor. It is strictly MAP.

Steve
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Hammer Time
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Dec 4, 2009, 8:27 PM

Post #5 of 7 (1726 views)
Re: 95 Lumina 3.1 still not running Sign In

I suspected that. Alldata wasn't clear about it. It showed labor time for the part but no location. It's because it's a TBI 3.1. They only used that in the MPV, I believe.



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Proa42
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Dec 5, 2009, 9:58 AM

Post #6 of 7 (1716 views)
Re: 95 Lumina 3.1 still not running Sign In

Original Codes:
MAP, TPS , Vehicle SPeed Sensor.

MAP and TPS at the same time. I replaced the MAP and TSS after voltage tests. At this point I was able to start the engine, as described, but then got a VSS fault.

I've read that a faulty Park/Neutral switch would generate a VSS code. But, would that explain the symptoms?


steve01832
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Dec 7, 2009, 5:41 PM

Post #7 of 7 (1703 views)
Re: 95 Lumina 3.1 still not running Sign In

The VSS is the vehicle speed sensor. That sensor is in the output shaft housing. I strongly doubt that will cause the problem.

Steve






 
 
 






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