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RKD
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Oct 12, 2012, 3:01 AM
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G'day to all appreciate any advice here.
I purchased a G200 Charade.Ran fine the first week i had it besides the weird booming sound it made at idle nothing seem to be wrong.Then It stopped working.Had it towed to the mechanic.He changed the battery.It ran then died, ran then died three times.The longest duration was probably 60 minutes around the neighborhood and it was the last time I drove it.Now it wont start at all, no power...nothing! no crank, no dash lights.
Would appreciate a starting point where the source of the problem is.Thank you all grateful for any advice.Thanks again..
(This post was edited by RKD on Oct 12, 2012, 3:03 AM)
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Hammer Time
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Oct 12, 2012, 3:07 AM
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All "crank, no start" conditions are approached in the same way. Every engine requires certain functions to be able to run. Some of these functions rely on specific components to work and some components are part of more than one function so it is important to see the whole picture to be able to conclude anything about what may have failed. Also, these functions can ONLY be tested during the failure. Any other time and they will simply test good because the problem isn't present at the moment.
If you approach this in any other way, you are merely guessing and that only serves to replace unnecessary parts and wastes money.
Every engine requires spark, fuel and compression to run. That's what we have to look for.
These are the basics that need to be tested and will give us the info required to isolate a cause.
1) Test for spark at the plug end of the wire using a spark tester. If none found, check for power supply on the + terminal of the coil with the key on.
2) Test for injector pulse using a small bulb called a noid light. If none found, check for power supply at one side of the injector with the key on.
3) Use a fuel pressure gauge to test for correct fuel pressure, also noticing if the pressure holds when key is shut off.
4) If all of these things check good, then you would need to do a complete compression test.
Once you have determined which of these functions has dropped out,
you will know which system is having the problem.
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RKD
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Oct 12, 2012, 3:38 AM
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Thanks,
But I just find it weird. When I got it, the car was running.Then a week later, it's dead.The day it stopped, i was playing with the horn at the car park.I noticed the sound became deem.I turn the switch it wont start.I had it towed to the mechanic.He changed the battery.It ran but kept dying, the first time it ran for 15 minutes the died around the round about.Lucky some one helped me push it to Mcdonald's car park.
I walked home, came back to surprise it started.The second time it died, it ran for 7 minutes.I made close to home around the corner.I parked it on the side of the street had to push it though.I walked home and came back again. 3rd time it started again and ran just enough to make it home this all happen on the same night.The next morning it started I left it and used my other car.After work I took it for a run around.It ran fine for probably 60 minutes around town, no dramas.I parked it for the night.The next morning it I flipped the key and it decided not to work.
But when I had it running.I kept hearing this booming sound at idle and smoke at the tail pipe when cold.I was getting crank now no power or crank? The car just shut down.Every time I flip the key now.I GET NOTHING! no crank or power.That's where I am stuck lol.
(This post was edited by RKD on Oct 12, 2012, 3:41 AM)
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Hammer Time
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Oct 12, 2012, 3:58 AM
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If you're getting no electrical power now then you have to start with the battery by having it tested and then follow the power supply circuit to determine where the power is being lost.
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RKD
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Oct 12, 2012, 4:08 AM
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Thanks mate.
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RKD
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Oct 16, 2012, 5:31 PM
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Ok..Now i am getting power. The car just clicks clicks. I have checked the battery terminal and I think the connector wire is a bit worn out. I cleaned them and it seems to have continuity. Now my problem is getting the engine to turn over.
The battery is on the red, meaning it needs replacing (but it's new, the mechanic replaced them) why is it red? I tried jump starting it didn't work but the car did try to ignite.hmmm
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nickwarner
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Oct 16, 2012, 7:29 PM
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If the battery cable is bad, its like pinching off a garden hose. You have plenty of pressure on one end and only a trickle on the other. Easy way to confirm it is to do a voltage drop test with a multimeter. Battery cables are pretty cheap, so if it seems to be in rough shape I'd change it. Don't forget to also check the ground side, including where it connects on the engine and any body grounds. A bad ground is just as troublesome as a bad power cable.
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RKD
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Oct 20, 2012, 2:48 AM
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Re: Daihatsu Charade runs and dies.
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Changed to newer battery the car cranks but wont start.
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Hammer Time
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Oct 20, 2012, 2:59 AM
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Now you go back to my first post and perform every test.
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RKD
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Oct 20, 2012, 3:51 PM
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Thanks mate..
Will do, thanks.  I have been researching.This question might sound dumb.But where is the crank sensor, ignition coil, main relay, fuel pump on a G200 RS 1.3 ltr Daihatsu Charade? I have an idea but just want to be sure. LOL
(This post was edited by RKD on Oct 20, 2012, 4:27 PM)
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Hammer Time
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Oct 20, 2012, 5:37 PM
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Stop trying to take shortcuts. Run the testing and find out what you're missing first.
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RKD
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Oct 20, 2012, 11:08 PM
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You're right.
I did put starting fluid in the air intake and sorta started for a second and stopped.
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Hammer Time
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Oct 21, 2012, 5:26 AM
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So now, once you perform the testing as I have asked you 3 times, you may find out whether it's a problem with the fuel injectors or the fuel pump.
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RKD
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Oct 21, 2012, 11:20 PM
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Boss. I got it to fire up.
It wasn't the fuel pump. But a bad fuse. Now my problem is this booming sound at idle. I have no idea what is causing it.
Please help me boss.
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RKD
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Oct 22, 2012, 10:26 AM
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Boss, it's coming from the exhaust and maybe engine.
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Hammer Time
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Oct 22, 2012, 10:35 AM
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I don't know what to tell you. I can't hear the noise from here.
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RKD
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Oct 23, 2012, 6:18 PM
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The car starts and runs fine. But it idles rough, could there be a vacuum leak? Thanks for your advices. It's a surging idle. But ran great when you press the gas pedal.
(This post was edited by RKD on Oct 23, 2012, 6:38 PM)
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Oct 23, 2012, 6:47 PM
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You could have a vacuum leak. The booming noise could be a backfire. Vacuum line is cheap, so it might be worthwhile to buy several feet of the common sizes at your parts store. Do one hose at a time so you don't mix them up. Many will be stuck and not like to come off. I just slit along them with a razor blade to remove them. Once you've gotten them all replaced, try unplugging the IAC motor and putting a length of hose on the end of a propane torch. Turn the gas on and run the end of the hose all around the intake manifold, throttle body, air ducting, anywhere else that could have a vacuum leak. If the engine's RPM jump up for a moment you found your leak right where that hose is at when it happens.
You should also clean your throttle plate. Have an assistant hold the throttle wide open while the engine is off. Use carb cleaner and an old toothbrush to scrub off the crap on the back of the throttle blade. Should be one or two air bleed holes there as well, make sure they are cleaned out. Remove the IAC motor and clean it along with the passages it sits in. If they are getting sooted up air cannot flow properly through it and idle will be bad.
Since we don't have this in the US, can you find out if this motor uses a timing chain or a timing belt? If a belt you may need to have a look at it to see if it has jumped a tooth from being timed properly. If it has, all the idler and tensioner pulleys, the belt and if it drives the water pump that too should be replaced. I'd do the above steps first as they are more likely to help and much faster to do.
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RKD
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Oct 24, 2012, 12:33 PM
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Thanks..
Well, I've started cleaning the throttle blade.I will pull it out so i can really get in there.I haven't touched AIC motor yet.In regards to the vacuum leak, i can probably replaced those smaller hose but those big ones are not sold in my local parts store here in Aus.Thirdly I think it's driven by a belt.It's SOCH 16 valve 1.3 liter. I should post some pics and videos. If only i knew how You're right it does back fire in 2nd and 3rd gear. And makes that surging noise when you pull up to idle. By the way the previous owner was only using water as coolant.
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Oct 24, 2012, 5:06 PM
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The big ones leave be unless they test bad for leaks when using the propane test. The last owner was an idiot using straight water. Be sure to run a lot of flushing through this before you finally fill it with the proper 50/50 mix. Not only does it have a higher boiling point than water it contains anticorrosion additives that keep it from going to crap internally, and straight water is a poor lubricant for your water pump.
You need to get ahold of service information for the timing belt on this. It most likely requires some expensive special tools to replace, so see what it says. If its over your head or your tooling, you can at least take off the cover and verify if its in time or not. If not, and its a job you aren't able to do, at least you know what to have the shop take care of for you.
For vidoes, paste a link from YouTube. For pics use photobucket.com and insert the link in your post.
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RKD
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Oct 25, 2012, 2:16 PM
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Thanks,
One thing i forgot to mention is the O2 sensor is not connected.Well, the connectors is busted. I can't hook it up.Does this cause the engine to "idle surge"? There's also two connectors in the engine bay between the distributor and radiator that's not connected.I tried looking to see where they might go but can't see any vacant plugs there.
(This post was edited by RKD on Oct 25, 2012, 2:21 PM)
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RKD
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Oct 25, 2012, 3:08 PM
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Sorry boss. 
Does it cause the idle to surge up and down? After 30 to 40 seconds of good idle, the idle surge kicks in. The engine light is also at the dash when I start it.
(This post was edited by RKD on Oct 25, 2012, 3:10 PM)
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nickwarner
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Oct 25, 2012, 9:06 PM
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Your ECM uses data from that oxygen sensor to determine the amount of fuel to add at any given millesecond of operation. If its unplugged for any reason not only will your engine light come on it will put you into limp mode and will run like a bag of crap. If you had told us that from the beginning that a bunch of electrical was unhooked that would've saved us all a lot of time.
When the engine first starts up cold, it uses a baseline table that is programmed into it to determine fuel and spark. After it begine to warm up it uses sensor data to fine-tune the mix. Because it can't use the data from the oxygen sensor its running blind and will run bad. It is the issue at hand and must be fixed now. Yo also need to find out what else was left unplugged and get it hooked up. If wiring repairs are needed then attend to them or this is never going to run right.
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