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DamselInDistress
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Nov 27, 2013, 11:45 AM
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95 Buick Riviera SOLUTION!!!
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HT I am so very sorry for seeming as if I blew you off after all your help!
Last week brought a great lead on a job (which I did get this past Monday), and I just had to take a hiatus from all this. But I had every intention of coming back here to let you know the verdict, oh....and to let you know that you were so on the right track with the voltage drop test!
I did take her to another mechanic out of desperation, another idiot....I just seem to attract that apparently. This guy found a code in the history which lead him to the Crankshaft Sensor. Since you, me, brother, and botched fuel pump job has all shown to be an issue with the fuel, that diagnosis really fried my brain!
Finally decided I needed to bring in brother (again) and ask what he though of that one. A few choice words among other things....lol.
I let him know that "this guy on the internet is really trying to help and the only other one who seems to know what he's talking about"....and through this conversation it came up that not only was the seal left off, but if only you could see the botched wiring job because the plug is different on the new plug.
That's when a light bulb went off and he asked "how it was done?" Me not having a clue as to wiring procedures in a car being any different, I just said "uh....only four wires Mike, all twisted together and color coded."
His response (again some choice words), go to the parts store and tell them you need butt connectors and a crimper. (Sigh) This is when I got a big lesson in "resistance" in a car's wiring. IT WAS causing a voltage drop which of course resulted in stalling.
Damn! Could kick myself for all this! (live and learn)
So the car was then running awesome, even took her on the Interstate....was just down to one more issue, that damn vent port on the pump not connecting anywhere really concerned me. It just didn't make sense that it vents "nowhere". (thank God for common sense)
I stopped into a dealership and asked them about it, of course they said it should connect to the venting system...but damned if I could find the hose. So I took it to the transmission shop who now knows me by first name. Lol They were willing to put it on the racks in their "free time" and see if they could find it for me. Took them a few days, but I assure you I am just grateful they were so gracious.
In summary, once the pump was actually sealed, the wiring actually connected properly (have no soldering gun or I would have used that), and the vent line runs into the system...we are finally GOOD!
I have learned my lesson in a big way, just wish I knew a "good" mechanic here. I have had three people who call themselves "mechanics" physically see this job and still scratch their heads. It took two mechanics (you and my brother) who never had that luxury to actually help me get it fixed. :(
If you know someone in the Kansas city area who is GOOD.....my car will be a regular there!!!
My car, my brother, and more than anything....I THANK YOU!!!!
Happy Thanksgiving! :)
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Tom Greenleaf
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Nov 27, 2013, 12:22 PM
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You are a sport kid. We call that "Wicked Pissa" (near Boston) and glad you've held on for the fix.
Hardest thing many times with car problems is DON'T GET MAD AT THE CAR! It doesn't care if you walk or ride and get used to that.
HAPPY THANKSGIVING TO YOU TOO.
Tom
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Hammer Time
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Nov 27, 2013, 12:51 PM
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Well, glad to hear you got it resolved. Wish you had mentioned those twisted wires a lot sooner. This guy must have been a complete moron. You just don't do things like that. You find a good shop through "word of mouth". Ask your friends, ask on Facebook, check Yelp, check Angies list.... all kinds of ways to find the right guy and once you find one, stick with him. Don't look for the lowest price because that is when you find the morons.
I'm going to put a link to this thread in your previous question. We try to keep the solutions with the questions for the benefit of other people reading this.
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DamselInDistress
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Nov 27, 2013, 1:05 PM
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Well, glad to hear you got it resolved. Wish you had mentioned those twisted wires a lot sooner. This guy must have been a complete moron. You just don't do things like that. You find a good shop through "word of mouth". Ask your friends, ask on Facebook, check Yelp, check Angies list.... all kinds of ways to find the right guy and once you find one, stick with him. Don't look for the lowest price because that is when you find the morons.
I'm going to put a link to this thread in your previous question. We try to keep the solutions with the questions for the benefit of other people reading this.
Thanks HT....really wanted to post the solution for that very reason. MORON doesn't begin to describe him. Lol
Not a doubt in my mind you would have saved me from all this aggravation if I thought to mention it. I had no clue about "resistance" whatsoever or I assure you I would have!
Yes, next "mechanic" will involve no quotation marks if you know what I mean. Lol
Thanks again, and seriously feel free to take me up on my offer to help you with anything internet related, that's up my alley I assure you!
All the best and Happy Thanksgiving!!
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Hammer Time
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Nov 27, 2013, 1:20 PM
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I can't write any code but I'm pretty good with computers myself, at least as far as keeping them running. Appreciate the offer. I bet you're seeing some real lousy weather right about now. We are getting a deep freeze here for Thanksgiving tomorrow, Supposed to hit the 40s overnight. Sounds like a couch and football day tomorrow.
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Hammer Time
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Nov 27, 2013, 5:36 PM
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An additional comment on your solution. Although butt connectors are far better than the twisting of wires that you had, it's not considered a good method in that environment. The pump actually should have come with some better butt connectors that heat shrink to keep the moisture out. What I would suggest now would be to pick up a small can of "liquid electrical tape"and use it to seal up the ends of the butt connectors to keep the moisture out.
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Tom Greenleaf
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Nov 28, 2013, 2:12 AM
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Great stuff. Home centers and hardware stores have it now. Close cap quickly or lose whole container fast,
T
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Hammer Time
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Nov 28, 2013, 10:04 AM
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It's improved a lot here now but still a little on the chilly side. 
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Hammer Time
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Nov 29, 2013, 8:39 AM
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That vapor line goes from the tank to the charcoal canister and another line goes from the canister to the engine. You could also have a line leaking somewhere and it only leaks when the engine is running to put it under pressure.
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Tom Greenleaf
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Nov 29, 2013, 9:20 AM
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Just a note Damsel: That liquid tape stuff doesn't like cold so keep container warm at least. Of all dang things I have a critter that eats outdoor extension cords! Not sure what tastes so good about them? Am using that stuff and it works just slow - real slow to cure.
Eh - not comfortable with using heat to speed it up for near fuel anything, -- T
(This post was edited by Tom Greenleaf on Nov 29, 2013, 9:22 AM)
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Tom Greenleaf
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Nov 29, 2013, 10:38 AM
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With whatever connection so long as it's good just cover it. Brush is in cap. Ya - I've done some wire nut or just crimp garbage not for this important but would be exposed so covered it all sides.
It will behave quickly if you test it indoors over wax paper to see how it behaves. Cool for assorted repairs. If you test it inside on some stupid thing see how gasoline tolerant it is. Not much is but the early stuff was -- silicone sealants are NOT by surprise you think they are and NOT.
For me just a handy thing in general, fast helps. Tolerates extremes well,
T
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Hammer Time
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Nov 29, 2013, 11:10 AM
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You're trying to seal off the part where the wire goes in so no moisture gets in.
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Hammer Time
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Nov 29, 2013, 1:04 PM
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Only one seal that fits into a groove and the lock plate compresses it. Make sure there's no dirt around it.
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(This post was edited by Hammer Time on Nov 29, 2013, 1:06 PM)
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Hammer Time
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Nov 29, 2013, 1:41 PM
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How come you're having to do all this stuff. Don't you have any kids or friends to do the dirty work?
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Hammer Time
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Nov 29, 2013, 3:38 PM
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Drive it a while. If the smell is persistent, then you can revisit the problem later.
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Hammer Time
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Dec 1, 2013, 10:30 AM
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OK, I think we can close this one now to keep the spammers out. Contact me or any other Mod by PM if you need it reopened.
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