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smoraq
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May 10, 2015, 6:03 AM
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2004 Merc Grand Marquis 92,000 miles:
Tire wear inner, drivers side. Inner tie rod appeared sloppy compared to passenger side. Replaced Driver side inner and outer tie rods. Still has play drivers side inner tie rod where it connects to steering unit. Any help is appreciated.
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Tom Greenleaf
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May 10, 2015, 7:08 AM
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? Have you determined tire wear is because of tie rod ends - those don't generally wear tires unless so bad they wobble and about to fall off/out. Replacing a good one (some will disagree with this) doesn't make it better. Good is good, replacements can be junk.
OK - because of the bellows can be at least a little tricky so see just where free play is for inners. Is anything else not right about rack suspension, and the bar right down from the steering wheel?
Same feel both old and new one? Something doesn't add up. Suggests it wasn't bad to begin with?
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smoraq
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May 10, 2015, 7:23 AM
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Thanks for your reply. I have not determined that tie rod end caused tire wear. Bar from steering wheel appears tight. I agree that maybe there was no problem in the first place, just that there was play on drivers side and no play on passenger side. Maybe it wasn't broke and I fixed it anyway? Thanks for your help.
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May 10, 2015, 7:36 AM
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If you installed that stuff correctly, there cannot be any play there so you may be actually moving the steering gear internally or maybe your play could be a wheel bearing or something else.
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May 10, 2015, 7:54 AM
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Play is definitely from inner tie rod towards steering assembly. So if inner tie rod is new and installed tightly, could rack and pinion be faulty? Thanks again.
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It's definitely NOT a loose tie rod end. Of course the rack can be worn out which should have been checked before installing tie rod ends.
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You'd think if there was internal play in the rack, you would see it on the passenger side too when your checking for play in its tie rod? How are the rack bushings? Can you move the rack pushing on it with your hands? You'd think inner tread wear on one tire would be a camber issue.
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smoraq
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May 10, 2015, 8:46 AM
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I think replacing the Rack is not something I can do. Is there a way to test it, or should I just bite the bullet and take it to a shop? Thanks again
Add'l info: no fluid leaks and rack is not loose against chassis.
(This post was edited by smoraq on May 10, 2015, 8:51 AM)
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You'll need this aligned when all set anyway - places I know ALL do and want front end work as well.
One extra thing for the alignment is if tires are really all worn differently it really won't help with the best alignment - not tire wearing just not as perfect as could be,
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May 10, 2015, 9:24 AM
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Has this vehicle been in an accident and had front end damage?
Since we volunteer our time and knowledge, we ask for you to please follow up when a problem is resolved.
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May 10, 2015, 9:41 AM
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Yes, about a year ago front end was hit pretty hard on passenger side. Damage was repaired
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May 10, 2015, 9:42 AM
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Yes, about a year ago it was hit pretty hard on front passenger side.
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Accident damage can't be contained into exactly what damage happened to everything and this issue probably does stem from that and now past the "unseen" damage grace period for anywhere I know of.
No telling what was harmed in the rack in this case that wasn't noticed at that time or all tested good. You said tire(s) aren't wearing evenly which if that is since the fix for accident damage it wasn't done too well was it?
If you were paying strict attention to tire wear and the clues they leave lots more than just a car the pulls left or right you should have brought that up long ago now.
With this new snag in the mix now I suspect the rack is the problem or tires all mix matched before or after the accident so you are starting from square one again.
A good alignment shop will check a ton of things including tire pressure and suspension parts all tight and can be put in range or norms after an accident. This includes proper even tires too.
Now for all I know or we know this car is so bent maybe it needed frame straightening or being totaled out? Can't know, alignment machine should show plenty you aren't going to see by eye,
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Thanks to all of you for your help. Will go to shop for repair.
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