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mrronaldo
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Oct 25, 2015, 11:16 PM
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car shaking vibrating and noise between 45 and 50 mph
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hey guys , after i drive my car like 15 minute it start shaking and vibrating between 45 and 50 mph , if i stop push gas and go down 45 it will be good and if i go over 50 like 60 and up is good and no shaking or vibration.
i changed 4 tires , i did alignment balance ,and i changed motor mounts and the transmission mount too , but it still same problem i got tired .
i cant understand .because when i start drive the car nothing happens but after 15 minute the problem coming inly in 45 to 50 mph ,
one friend he told me maybe i need to change the transmission fluid and the filter , cause the car dont shake in the beginning of driving and in a specific speed , im waiting your answer , thank you
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Tom Greenleaf
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Oct 26, 2015, 1:11 AM
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Re: car shaking vibrating and noise between 45 and 50 mph
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The first answer is a question - What the heck is this vehicle?
Type of problem is consistent with a binding/worn driveline joint either u-joint or CV joint but several other possible reasons too none involve changing trans fluid for this so far IMO,
T
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mrronaldo
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Oct 26, 2015, 1:38 PM
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Re: car shaking vibrating and noise between 45 and 50 mph
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It's mitsubishi gallant 2000 4cl
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Tom Greenleaf
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Oct 26, 2015, 1:57 PM
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Re: car shaking vibrating and noise between 45 and 50 mph
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Can be hard to check while in car but 1/2 shafts could do that and include two CV joints each in front.
Other that might wait is a dragging brake. Just have to feel for a warm/hot wheel if not pulling probably if so a rear or dragging parking brake. If no warmth felt just have to take wheels off and really check. Each axle should have even wear on brake linings. Strong clue if one side is worn differently than the other.
That can wait to cause a vibration till warm. Front issues usually pull to one side when applying brakes rears generally do not,
T
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gsferraro
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Oct 26, 2015, 2:11 PM
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Re: car shaking vibrating and noise between 45 and 50 mph
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If your driving and feel the vibration, if you release the gas does it go away? Gary
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mrronaldo
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Oct 26, 2015, 6:28 PM
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Re: car shaking vibrating and noise between 45 and 50 mph
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When I go up than 50 mph or down than 40, no more vibration or shaking
(This post was edited by mrronaldo on Oct 26, 2015, 6:29 PM)
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Tom Greenleaf
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Oct 26, 2015, 11:02 PM
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Re: car shaking vibrating and noise between 45 and 50 mph
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I think we are (Gary and I) are thinking same issue. CV or not used u-joints can get "happy" spot at a certain load if taken apart you see the flaw or feel it in a 1/2 shaft.
You've done motor mounts which would be on the list for the complaint IMO. Balance, tires and alignment probably not on the list for the complaint if LOAD aggravates it or makes it go away.
You can add load with throttle request or a road with a hill same speed going up or down maybe drag brakes a bit as needed to find if load (makes the joints have to turn at a new angle) does this then replace as discovered which one(s) is the idea,
T
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mrronaldo
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Oct 27, 2015, 12:21 PM
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Re: car shaking vibrating and noise between 45 and 50 mph
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Thank you my friends, when it start shaking and vibrating it start from the left side feel like start moving from left to the right, and if someone with Me in the passenger site it shake and vibrating more and more, when I took last time to the shop they says maybe the tie road end are need to change, but I will go back and I ask them to check the cv and u joins, thank u, if u have more idea tell me plz, thanks
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Tom Greenleaf
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Oct 27, 2015, 6:21 PM
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Re: car shaking vibrating and noise between 45 and 50 mph
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You probably need another person or shop if they are telling you tie rod ends that you can see so easily it isn't guessing and isn't likely the problem at a certain speed.
The question is how "LOAD" effects this more than the rest of any observations.
It's near impossible to know a CV joint while installed has an issue so they come out as does a driveshaft with u-joints if elusive.
These thing bend while delivering power and get a worn dimpled spot until so bad you can see the flaw while in place you have to go by symptoms which you have.
The flaw if a CV joint will or can give some real symptoms but even all apart in your face barely see the problem - you feel it first off car then look if needed to prove it.
Tires, alignment and things done already can make a problem elsewhere feel worse not usually cause it.
IDK - Gary asked you if letting up off the gas changed it when you noticed and you don't answer the questions so no real wonder nobody is finding this. Now a passenger notices it getting worse and that happens as driving all the time yourself a slow progression of a failure like this you may not as much?
You do know that many tests or parts you might replace mean yet another alignment with each? They do and have a justifiable charge for that again and again.
IMO the only reason an "in person" inspection could fail to target this is if it simply didn't do it when tested and test driven. If tech can't leave where they are to feel this happen either with you or not and drive it themselves too I think it's just tossing out guesses at you.
At least get another person or shop to diagnose this or come up with something credible as so far not much is,
T
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mrronaldo
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Nov 4, 2015, 11:26 PM
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Re: car shaking vibrating and noise between 45 and 50 mph
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hey guys , i got something new . after i took my car to the shop to another guy to check it , he told me the cv joints are good and nothing is wrong with tie road end , he check the balance and the tires everything is good , after that i drive my car its still same problem i went online and i read too much , and im sure now 200 % person thats i have problem with the transmission , how did i know that ? when i drive my car in normally by put my transmission in D when i got to 45 to 50 i feel and i heard the transmission clunk and thud it like hard for it to shift easy , then i did another test i put my transmission in 3 ,and i drive it normally and i go till 45 50 60 and i dont feel or hear nothing , no shaking no vibrating no clunk no thud , i saw one guy had same problem and he resolved it by change filter and transmission fluid, im waiting your solutions guys before i took it to the shop again thank you my friends
(This post was edited by mrronaldo on Nov 4, 2015, 11:29 PM)
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Tom Greenleaf
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Nov 5, 2015, 12:41 AM
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Re: car shaking vibrating and noise between 45 and 50 mph
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OK - Now ~ 16 year old car if you are first changing transmission fluid (filter as possible) then it might help or expose a well worn transmission sooner if you know that no or any service to it has been done?
What are your choices for gears and enablement of "Overdrive" on this? Just D,3,2,1 or also a button to disable overdrive? You might be feeling what I'll call 'chatter' from torque converter not locking up assertively. Gary is the transmission expert here no questions on that. Know that many or most techs and shops will send out transmission work that might get highly involved as a sub specialty of the trade not often handy to tie up vehicles when not set up for every aspect.
Transmission should have a code reading just because and post #s or seek a trans specialty shop to now take on the diagnosis.
Some warnings of mine, my opinion perhaps only: Watch out for magic in bottle for transmission or any problems. Of 100s of things only a couple really do something desired the rest frequently not only DON'T WORK but are harmful!
Deal with professionals! You've had polar opposite diagnosis on even tie rod ends where there's no room for dispute. One didn't know squat or wasn't honest with you.........
T
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mrronaldo
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Nov 5, 2015, 10:14 PM
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Re: car shaking vibrating and noise between 45 and 50 mph
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the car has d 3 2 L and no button to disable overdrive , i check the filter looks older i think its never changed it before ,
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Tom Greenleaf
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Nov 6, 2015, 12:20 AM
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Re: car shaking vibrating and noise between 45 and 50 mph
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OK - That configuration for gear selection frequently means "D" will enable torque converter lock up of gear "3" when conditions allow and plain "3" will disable it. Process of deduction is that torque converter isn't locking properly or slipping making the objectionable vibration trying to and when off can't.
You'll probably be shocked that this is clearly explained in the owner's manual! There are driving situation when you DO NOT WANT it to lock up also called overdrive. Most with those #s are 3 speed automatics that lock up 3rd feeling like another gear but isn't.
About trans fluid and filters: IMO again as you can argue it. Fluid is an oil with properties to be very detergent, flow fast when cold and not foam plus a lubricant and is an oil based product. It uses bands, clutch packs, bearings, shafts, springs and more stuff to route fluid under pressure to behave as desired than can be mentioned without a tech course in it.
With that also know that fluid HATES heat, greatly hates being low and when original properties wear out new fluid is the answer with the additives intended.
Now strongly IMO and experience if a filter to a trans is in fact full of junk causing a flow problem the trans is plain worn far enough that no tricks do more than buy short time or cause quick total failure meaning an overhaul is the real fix for dependable longer life not tricks.
When you hear changing fluid and filter for a fix and it worked I say it bought time but not dependable for long term just lucky the expense was delayed and can use the vehicle longer.
Trans is a wearing item and has a life. With routine care all along you can make a big difference in plain/ordinary wear not after the fact.
So - a pro shop may retrieve any and all codes, take pressures that it's pumping fluid inside well enough to actuate all it's functions and find a one or two item fix or that it's plain time to rebuild the unit as a whole. Last minute maintenance that should have been a routine all along doesn't undo the problems already done but can make them feel better for a time.
You should as said find a professional tech for help specializing in transmissions. Other professional techs are supposed to know the other sub trades but also already said can't tie up room or have ready specialty tools for all of them in one spot,
T
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mrronaldo
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Nov 7, 2015, 12:38 PM
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Re: car shaking vibrating and noise between 45 and 50 mph
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Hey, I took it to one special shop he told me that a transmission problem to put new one it coast $2000
,then I took it to mitsubishi shop in the city, they ask me to bring it next Tuesday to flush transmission, it coast $ 172, and after that they will see, really I'm so confusing, I'm waiting your ideas,
I don't wanna sale it like that for someone with this problem,
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Tom Greenleaf
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Nov 7, 2015, 2:17 PM
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Re: car shaking vibrating and noise between 45 and 50 mph
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Oh boy! Is that all you got from first place is just rebuild it with no other ideas - not so comprehensive to just redo every complaint that comes their way!
The dealer at least said "After they see it" so more encouraging IMO. That sounds more like it to me not because of price but they want to see it. Sites just can't compete with having the vehicle issue right in front of them - I suggest that and stop at your request if or what they find that changes the costs if anything.
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Just some of my thoughts and experiences with known automatics since forever on vehicles known from new and a good guess of how driven and any service or tons of care:
It's a wearing item, a hydraulic machine if you will with electrical and mechanical operation all thru them.
The key question is how long does one really last? The answer is still difficult. I've seen cared for ones plain wear out just about 70K on them and other cared for ones go well over 200K which IMO is full life and good luck.
Throw in heat, abusive driving habits and the type of miles and time it's experienced some you can't help. Stop and go is harder, extreme temperatures and the type of driving you routinely do. Abuse can wreck anything so on your own with that crap. Pulling trailers IMO this is the wrong vehicle.
So - At certain miles and known condition you can expect to overhaul one if you keep it long enough. Used cars you may not have a clue.
You can also throw in plain bad luck or a poor design now and then. All that just IMO over mega years and assorted vehicles.
*** > See what the dealer fluid change and check out. Just sounds better to me than the just do it all up quote.
Good luck,
T
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mrronaldo
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Dec 7, 2015, 5:03 PM
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Re: car shaking vibrating and noise between 45 and 50 mph
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problem resolved , i took it to Mitsubishi shop ,they changed the transmission fluid,and the filter , now its working good ,thank you
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Tom Greenleaf
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Dec 7, 2015, 9:40 PM
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Re: car shaking vibrating and noise between 45 and 50 mph
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Thanks for the follow up and fix. Will close out as solved and you can ask any moderator to reopen this as needed,
T
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